Heres but one quick article I found demonstrating profound and irreconcilable historical errors in the Quran. 1 Maccabees 9:27 Thus there was great distress in Israel, such as had not been since the time that prophets ceased to appear among them. The book might be great, you just wouldnt consider it scripture. The following items may be found in this section: 1 Esdras (Vulgate 3 Esdras), Judith (which is spelled Judeth in Geneva), The remainder of Esther (Esther 10:416:24 in the Vulgate), Ecclesiasticus, which is often referred to as Sirach, Baruch and the Epistle of Jeremy (known as Jeremiah in Geneva) (both of which are included in the Vulgate version of Baruch). There are 80 books in the King James Bible; 39 in the Old Testament, 14 in the . It is a half truth and is misleading. You cannot therefore simply say, The Jews, for the variation of authoritative books was equal to the variation of first century Jewish thought. All of the early Church Fathers accepted these disputed books as divinely inspired. As a final brief comment, I would suggest you look over your Patristic sources a little more keenly. Thats a reasonable argument if you believe Christ used the Septuagint. Let me just take one disagreement between Catholic and Protestant. The Church didnt consider the Deuterocanon scripture until quite late; no more than a few hundred years between the 12th century and Trent. Now, some sects of Jews might have later rejected what God spoke through His prophets, but that doesnt change the fundamental authority of Thus says the Lord just because some people reject what hes said. Of course not. Egypt fell into decline after the exodus and eventually the Persian empire took possession of the northern lands of Egypt in 532BC and then Alexander the Great in 323BC. This includes the four Gospels, the Acts of the Apostles, the Epistles, and the Book of Revelation. If anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away that person's share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book. (this list includes Baruch, but none of the other deuterocanonical books). So, at least until the 12th century, there wasnt complete agreement as to which books belonged in the Old Testament. The Jews didnt consider anything written after Malachi inspired because there were no prophets at that time. It is a revised version of the Christian Bible produced by Martin Luther and the protestants. Later Councils at Hippo (393 AD) and Carthage (397 AD) ratified this list of 73 books. In 382 AD the Church had the Council and determined that the canon was 73 books. The Catholic bible has 73 books, the Protestant only 66. Why trust them to come up with an accurate canon of scripture when you hate and distrust them so much? One must not be ignorant, that there are twenty-two books of the covenant, as the Hebrews recon them; which is the number of letters in their alphabet. The Catholic Bible contains a total of 73 books, 46 in the Old Testament . This is the full list of the New Testament books of the Catholic Bible: The Gospels according to Matthew, Mark, Luke and John The Acts of the Apostles The Letters of St. Paul to the Romans, 1 and 2 Corinthians, Galatians, Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians, 1 and 2 Thessalonians, 1 and 2 Timothy, Titus, and Philemon The diaspora Jews were Converts to Christ! The Church used the 73 Book canon from 382 AD until 1520. The Great Adventure: Bible Indexing Tabs (2017) $695. However, in the two passages I quoted this clearly isnt the case. The Catholic Bible consists of 46 books in the Old Testament and 27 books in the New Testament (which is the same NT as the Protestant Bible). The empire was put under the authority of a regent in the person of Perdiccas, and the territories were divided among Alexanders generals, who thereby became satraps, at the Partition of Babylon, all in that same year. He said to answer the assumptions rather than the statement itself. That is different from dwelling so I question the line of reasoning that Jewish men visited Egypt ergo the Septuigint is false. I would warn you, as a fellow Christian, to take this to heart. My father once told me to pay attention to the assumptions behind any statement. And again, after these four books of Kings, the first and second being reckoned as one book, and so likewise the third and fourth as one book. Looking at the quotes below from so many respected early church fathers should at least secure that fact. But then lets move on; lets say that the Protestants are right and the Church errored in the 73 Book canon. Again, its VERY dangerous to assume that a document is inerrant just because Jesus and the Apostles used it. I would love to correspond with you offline re: fathering. Initially, Luther wanted to kick out some New Testament Books as well, including James, Hebrews, Jude, and Revelation. but they also quoted other books of the day that no one considers to be Canon. Thank you for the workmans work you do here with these articles.. lot of meat to chew on. It seems that the Jews had never settled on an official canon of OT scripture before this. If youd like to arrange a debate on the issue Abe, Id be happy to refute these arguments, as well as show positive proof for the deuterocanonicals necessarily being scripture. Also, you make an interesting point. Its disingenuous to treat them a homogeneous group. Since the septuagint was created by members of the tweve tribes (which doesnt include Levites), it did not have the blessings of God, Himself. Which Septuagint? Are we really going to believe that for 1200 years the true Christian Church was not there? Jerome also said: As then the church reads Judith, Tobit, and the books of Maccabees, but does not admit them among the canonical Scriptures, so let it read these two volumes for the edification of the people, not to give authority to doctrines of the church., (Jerome, Preface to the Books of Proverbs, Ecclesiastes, and the Song of Songs). The burden of proof is on the Catholic Church to show that it is infallible in matters of faith and morals. These works are referred to as the Deuterocanonicals. The term deuterocanonical books refers to this collection of scriptures. Im serious, Ill still be here when you get back. 1 Then what advantage has the Jew? Several early church fathers (and Catholic saints) called them apocryphal. So much pride and anger in this article! In my mind, that settles the debate. 5. To your repeated comment that the Jews never considered the deuterocanonical books scripture, I would ask, Which Jews do you mean, exactly? Bible Books & Letters: Determining how many books make up the Bible first of all depends on which version of the Bible you are reading or refering to. Their decisions were only binding within their sphere of influence; they werent binding on the whole Catholic church. I didnt mention Sola Scriptura in the article. The same argument from above applies here. The Catholic Bible consists of 27 books in the New Testament and seven books in the Old Testament: Tobit, Judith, Maccabees 1 and 2, Wisdom, the Wisdom of Ben Sira, and Baruch. Okay, a little context first. Many non-Catholic Christians like to accuse Catholics of adding Books to the Bible at the 16th c. Council of Trent. The following list is the 7 books that the Catholics include that the Protestants do not. Catholics say the Church put the Bible together. Found here: http://www.tertullian.org/decretum_eng.htm, He likewise states thus, in his Contra Rufinum (Against Rufinus): What sin have I committed if I followed the judgment of the churches? But strangely, Luther gets a pass on doing that exact same thing. I am not being rude or accusatory. 16 Only he must not multiply horses for himself, or cause the people to return to Egypt in order to multiply horses, since the Lord has said to you, You shall never return that way again., 13 But if you say, We will not remain in this land, disobeying the voice of the Lord your God, 14 and saying, No, we will go to the land of Egypt, where we shall not see war, or hear the sound of the trumpet, or be hungry for bread, and we will dwell there,. Between the writing of Malachi in about 430 BC and the appearance of the John the Baptist, there were no prophets in Israel. La ignorancia del ser vivo ser la nica salvacin, ante la verdad del SEOR PADRE NUESTRO. 73 for the Catholic Bible. God specifically commanded Israel to stay out of Egypt, but Alexandria is IN Egypt. What is the total number of books in the Catholic Bible. It is noted that Catholicism recognizes those dogmas that Orthodoxy does not consider to be true. Now, iota could refer to the Greek language, but Keraia certainly does not. AKA, the Scriptures. But it should be known that there are also other books which our fathers call not Canonical but Ecclesiastical: that is to say, Wisdom, called the Wisdom of Solomon, and another Wisdom, called the Wisdom of the Son of Syrach, which last-mentioned the Latins called by the general title Ecclesiasticus, designating not the author of the book, but the character of the writing. These 7 books are Tobit, Judith, Baruch, Wisdom, Sirach, First Maccabees, and Second Maccabees, as well as additional verses of Daniel and Esther. The alternative would have been to pay scribes to write new copies. Solomon gave three books to the Churches, Proverbs, Ecclesiastes, Canticles (song of songs). Because God inspired them! Therefore not Hebrew so His NT quotes are a translation. In the bible, the number 7 denotes perfection (God rested on the 7th day, 7 spirits that minister to God, 7 sacraments), and the number 3 represents the Holy Trinity. Anybody who reads the book of Wisdom 2: 12-20 would immediately recognize that this is a direct reference to the Jews who were plotting against Jesus in Matthew 27:41-43: Matthew 27: 41-43: So also the chief priests, with the scribes and elders, mocked him, saying,"He saved others; he cannot save himself. So to the question as to why we should trust anything the early Church did; this is what the Bible says: Jesus said 1) He was going to build a single Church. Since she obtains her husband, I guess her father doesnt have to; the suitors just show up, with bride-price in hand. Another name for the Septuagint is the Alexandrian Canon. In Judith, we see a biblical type of Mary crushing the head of the serpent; Judith cuts off the head of the evil General Holofernes, and saves Israel. Thus R. Akiva said that the Christian writings along with the deuterocanonicals (for the reason that the Christians held to them and that Wisdom 2:12-21 contains a direct prophecy about Christ, the most explicit in the Old Testament) didnt defile. The ancient Greek Old Testament known as the Septuagint was the vehicle which conveyed these additional Scriptures into the Catholic Church. We also have historical accounts by Jocephus and a few other historians who largely agree with this legend. Romans plainly states that the Jews were (past tense) the keepers of the oracles of God. Catholic Bible. How many books are in the Old and New Testament KJV? Apocrypha. There is only one Church established by Christ and one Sacred Tradition. You can read the full text of the article here. In the Book of Matthew (12: 31-32), we read, Therefore I say to you, any sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven men, but blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven. ( some denominations have up to 84 books in their bible ). So if you would like a copy, I would look for an RSV-CE. The Council of Trent, in 1546, in response to the Reformation removing 7 books from the canon (canon is a Greek word meaning standard), reaffirmed the original St. Athanasius list of 73 books. There are, then, of the Old Testament, twenty-two books in number; for, as I have heard, it is handed down that this is the number of the letters among the Hebrews; their respective order and names being as follows. Following these there is Joshua, the son of Nun, then Judges, then Ruth. You rightly mention Yehovas bending the edict for living in Egypt with regard to Jesus. Most Protestant Bibles included the deuterocanonical Books until about 1815, when the British and Foreign Bible Society discontinued the practice! How the Jews view the Deuterocanonical books, Evidence the Deuterocanon should be in the Bible, Jesus and the Apostles quoted and/or alluded to the Deuterocanon, Jesus and the Apostles used the Septuagint and it includes the Deuterocanon, therefore they are scripture. Then 39 +27 = 66, the number of books in the Bible! In total, these constitute seven volumes. This can be found in the Old Testament book of First Maccabees, Chapter 4, which is in the Catholic Bible, but not in the Protestant Bible. Job follows, then the Prophets, the twelve being reckoned as one book. Its 39 books tell the ancient history of Israel and serve as the moral teachings and basis of the Christian . And the 7 books are indeed in that Bible. In another place Josephus (who was a Jew) says: From Artaxerxes to our times a complete history has been written, but has not been deemed worthy of equal credit with the earlier records, because of the failure of the exact succession of the prophets. There is therefore really no such thing as Sola Scriptura since we all rely on some form of tradition. Christians view the scripture highly, but compared the the 1st century Jews we treat it like a newspaper. The difference between Catholic Bible and Christian Bible is that the Catholic Bible comprises all 73 books of the old testament and new testament recognized by the Catholic Church, whereas the Christian Bible, also known as the holy bible, is a sacred book for Christian. I proofread slowly out loud several times before publishing and still miss things, though Im always working to improve. To pray to Mary is to remember the main truths of our faith (the Incarnation and Redemption through Christ in the Rosary), to praise God for the amazing things he has done in and through one of his creations (Hail Mary), and to ask Mary to intercede on our behalf (second half of the Hail Mary). Would Jesus have used a document that was created by men who were in the middle of disobeying the explicit commands of The Father? document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); The Bible: 66 books vs 73 and Why (the Apocrypha Explained). We ask, If all things have a creator, then who created God? Actually, only created things have a creator, so its improper to lump God with his creation. Any Protestant denomination who does not understand that they are in fact relying on their own tradition to interpret scripture, according to their own particular doctrine, is simply lying to themselves. AnswerThere are seventy-three books in the Canon of the Catholic Bible; forty-six in the Old Testament and twenty-seven in the New Testament. This "original" Bible contained 80 books, including the Apocrypha, which means hidden. The diaspora Jews DID accept those 7 books. These fathers refer to the Egypt Of The Passions. Of the Old Testament, therefore, first of all there have been handed down five books of Moses, Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy; Then Jesus Nave, (Joshua the son of Nun), The Book of Judges together with Ruth; then four books of Kings (Reigns), which the Hebrews reckon two; the Book of Omissions, which is entitled the Book of Days (Chronicles), and two books of Ezra (Ezra and Nehemiah), which the Hebrews reckon one, and Esther; of the Prophets, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, and Daniel; moreover of the twelve (minor) Prophets, one book; Job also and the Psalms of David, each one book. For instance, they dont have a 1 Kings and a 2 Kings, they just have Kings. How I want everything to stay that way Although this will take a lot of time to understand what is the essence and content of the Catholic faith . However, I concede theres room for interpretation here so I edited the article to remove that bit. That certainly doesnt make it infallible, but it does certainly cast doubt as to what the accepted canon of the day was. The Sadducees only believed in the first 5 books of the Bible written by Moses (the Pentateuch), while the Pharisees believed in 34 other books of the Old Testament as well. The New Testament is made up of 27 books that are used in practically all Christian practices today, be it any denomination. The authority involving the Protestants are not the authority of the whole religion and just because you think the books are not of value, doesnt mean it applies to everyone else. Remember that the time in Egypt reduced the Israelites from Joseph to this. (this is called the Letter of Aristeas). The Catholic Bible has seven additional books in addition to those found in the Protestant Bible. (source). The authors of four Biblical books three of which were prophets attended the council that decided once and for all the Hebrew Bible (Tanach). They would eat the same food in exactly the same way as their rabbi. But he who brings charges against me for relating the objections that the Hebrews are wont to raise against the Story of Susanna, the Song of the Three Children, and the story of Bel and the Dragon, which are not found in the Hebrew volume, proves that he is just a foolish sycophant. At least one very prominent Jewish Rabbi named Akiva (50 135 AD) said that the Deuterocanon defiled the hands. Agreed. This is because Roman Catholics have 7 additional books in their Old Testament: Tobit, Judith, 1-2 Maccabees, Wisdom . How many books are missing from the Bible? Thats not surprising because the first time the Old Testament canon was officially recorded was the Council of Florence in 15th century. ATTENTION TO RIGHT HOLDERS! The words Jot and tittle are archaic, but its the meaning in the Greek thats important. Sin is passed through the male line (which is why Mary didnt need to be sinless to birth a sinless savior), as Romans and 1 Corinthians makes clear. By analogy, the Hebrew letter yd refers to the Greek letter, ita (the smallest letter in the Greek alphabet). I know little so my thoughts may be wrong yet they trouble me. The Catholic Church officially and infallibly declared the disputed 7 books to part of the Bible. This list was finally approved by Pope Damasus I in 382 AD, and was formally approved by the Church Council of Rome in that same year. He is the King of Israel; let him come down now from the cross, and we will believe in him. 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