Many (most?) The Alienware offered better latency, and it was 40% off on the Dell website for some reason, so that's the one I went with. Connect your display. Do they actually work well (I actually want to know)? Apr 18, 2022 3:07 PM Reply Helpful. I have two perfectly good 27" Apple thunderbolt displays that I've been using daisy chained together with my older mac mini.. is this problem unique to the latest mac minis or has the proverbial ship finally sailed on my displays? You might as well buy a cheaper monitor with fewer but larger pixels.). The Apple is a 5k monitor meant for content creators as it has remarkable out-of-the-box accuracy, and it displays a wider range of colors in SDR than the Samsung. I wanted to build a gaming PC that would double as a Windows dev machine, so I wanted more pixels than 1080p. Cheap laptops, maybe. (EDIT: To clarify, all other scaling factors are done by rendering at either 100% or 200% and doing bitmap scaling up or down. Haven't seen that around unfortunately. But would the average consumer care enough for 10bit to disregard 5k resolution? your own Pins on Pinterest Are you talking about for watching video? https://www.anandtech.com/show/12568/iiyamas-prolite-xb2779q https://www.dell.com/ae/business/p/dell-up2715k-monitor/pd, https://tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/dell_alienware_aw2721d, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DisplayPort#1.4, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDUnSsx62j8. What does it do if the image is too complex to compress in the available bandwidth? This is likely manufactured in Taiwan or China or Germany, using the licensed technology from Taiwan's Epistar. You also can't run most VR games at anything less than 90-120fps without introducing motion sickness in the user. Which also had higher resolution than macbooks. The Apple Studio Display doesn't support a 120Hz signal. I'm not sure whether that will be the case. 2 or Thunderbolt. Clearly leaving it on is the moral option. I've been very happy with this monitor for quite a while (probably 2017-ish): According to the Amazon description they fixed the flickering issue with a firmware update. 250%, things are bigger so that's good, but there's no extra detail being displayed, so you're wasting the resolution of your monitor. I would expect to notice them up to about 5k at this distance, but anything more would probably just be feel-good-ness rather than actual measurable difference, for me at least. I wish Apple would use their clout to move up in size. If so, I was looking to purchase one myself. Personally, I would l get the displays if I can daisy chain them. I bought and returned a Microsoft Surface laptop because its rendering is broken: If you display a web page containing horizontal lines (like grid lines of an HTML table) then the lines will appear to have varying thickness even though they are all set to 1px. PC displays can't do the first for latency reasons but I think BFI is just down to expense, or because we don't have OLED/mini-LED displays yet. also what world do we live in where a resolution that is literally above 4k isn't considered high resolution. That said (and acknowledged, I'm not generally an Apple person), I see very little reason to buy Apply monitors, from a price perspective I just don't see them as a value and see many extremely comparable monitors that work great with Apple computers. i.e. Unlike other displays with a macOS device, there's no setting for VRR in the macOS either. C+ for effort but to many gotchas. Chicago, IL. Ah, I haven't noticed much difference between my 27" iMac and my LG 5k UF's (there's a little), and been tempted to get the XDR, mainly because I was hoping for even better and bigger panel than the 5k ones. Just to be clear, the XDR is not a _terrible_ monitor. Additionally, set up the monitors you want to daisy chain in the stage. One better: apple The vast majority of apps on modern Windows (10+) just works. For a lot of reasons. If you pay 1.5k for a monitor you should be able to expect a stand that doesn't shake if you bump into your table a bit. macrumors 6502. Sadly, there's no local dimming feature to improve this, so it's not a good choice to use in dark rooms. User should never daisy chain thunderbolt or any other display. With a good window manager you can do magic with this monitor. It's just that you (or most people) can't tell the difference. It has exceptional out-of-the-box accuracy, and the high resolution makes it a very good choice for content creators. Apple is really good at "sherlocking" and getting out a polished/well-integrated version of something that has been around for years and making it popular. DSC is Display Stream Compression, and has been part of the spec since 1.4. There are some minor software issues to work through, it definitely requires some customization in the window manager department, but it's worth it imo. The Apple Studio Display has a few extra features, like its webcam, microphone, and speakers. That's how you end up with the USB-C shitshow :). That said, I loved the Cinema displays and they did have a good track record, but if memory serves, the Thunderbolt Display variant was notoriously flaky [0]. Knock $200 off the price or not, I'm not sure that's relevant; but as a secondary display, the bells & whistles actually get in the way. macOS Ventura is now available. I'm excited I can now just buy one. nah, hidpi on Windows is fine if you know what you're doing as an application developer. A TV or projector used 5+ meters away, an external screen on your desk, and a 14" laptop at keyboard distance are completely different use cases. I love the single cable + built in peripherals and am puzzled at the lack of competition around it. Before connecting any cables to the speakers, first, position them where you need them in the venue. However, because it has a low contrast ratio, it can't display dark colors very well. Everything I've heard about the Pro display XDR's has been that all the things like USB/Thunderbolt connectivity are rock solid. You've now gotten another answer from someone that does something completely different and uses the 8K TV as a multi-screen setup on a single screen. More Less. 5K @ 60Hz is already maxing out Thunderbolt 4. And even if it wasnt very used, the environmental cost of just one extra monitor would be many many unused ports. Apple is all about controlling and curating the user experience. I think I paid something like $600 for each one at different points in time. Rocking a couple of LG UF 27 5ks today. (Later there was 3x.). You are using an out of date browser. (search flicker in the reviews/questions). If you're a content creator looking for something similar with full support for HDR, take a look at the LG 40WP95C-W instead. The LG 5Ks are the same way too. The problem there is MacOS doesn't support MST. I'd just get a half decent, affrodable 27" / 4k display for gaming and keep the Studio display for actual work. You talking to someone who upgraded from a 4k/32" equivalent ("5k" 40" ultrawide) to the XDR just for the pixel density increase, and it's no contest at all: even the most casual PC user would immediately appreciate the bump. Low refresh rate is bad for pros for the same reason it's bad for gamers, it makes it harder to quickly and accurately perceive things in motion and it slows down your ability to accurately execute inputs. The ergonomics of the Apple Studio Display are terrible. The Studio Display is an additional $300. DSC has nothing to do with the Studio Display's inability to daisy-chain. Got 2x5k now but really prefer the 21.5 DCI-4k. It also has HDMI ports so you can connect gaming consoles. I use one, but its still not sharp enough for design work. I think both of my arguments were true and valid; that's why I made them to begin with. The amount of real estate you get with 2560x1440 is fantastic, and you can actually game on it at native resolution on older gen graphics. There are few interesting options like that but the rest seems to be dominated by low color, low resolution, low latency stuff. Your suggestion was tried for years and failed every time because it doesnt work. No. We purchased the variant with the tilt-adjustable stand and the standard glass; there are different stand and anti-reflective coating options that you can get for this monitor. Forgive my for my bluntness, but I am soooo tired of every conversation about improving monitors being sidetracked by people act like using a TV-sized TV as a computer monitor is better than strictly anything. Can you actually connect HDMI input to a thunderbolt only display? Resolutions have progressed pretty nicely IMO, but the top end monitors from Dell, Apple etc still all running at 60hz. There's a notable difference between passively consumed content and interactive content. You scale extra information down. The U2722DE is connecting (via DP Output) to the U2722D (DP Input) using the DisplayPort cable that came with the U2722DE monitor. The Apple is a 5k display with better text clarity than the 4k display on the Dell. 3x is iOS only. The Dell S2722QC is a more versatile monitor than the Apple Studio Display. I never fullscreen anything, and put secondary things around the edges, the way one would use extra monitors. a 27" 8K monitor, the text would either be too small, or they'd have to use bitmap scaling to make it bigger in which case there'd be no advantage of having an 8K monitor. The Apple monitor stand was over a thousand, wasn't it? There was an LG Ultrafine 21.5" 4k display which was the same DPI as the MacBook's screen, but it's been long discontinued (along with that model of the iMac, which was what the display was originally destined for). And hopefully in the future they release a version without all that extra stuff for closer to the $1200-$1300 an LG 5K ultrafine display can be had for. - If you have some bright pixels in an otherwise dark area, the backlight cell built into the monitor there noticeable brightens, putting an approximately once inch by one in halo around the bright pixels. Steps for Daisy Chain Active Speakers. It's not hard to beat the notoriously bad build quality and reliability of the LG UltraFine and Apple has a track record of building solid displays (I have an LED Cinema Display that's going on 13 years old with nary a single issue). Sadly my eyes aren't as good as they used to be so I can't make a lot of use of the extra real-estate, but it always seems as if they're ahead when it comes to resolutions on consumer devices. No webcam or microphone in the LG displays. I was thinking about purchasing 3 of them but I hat the idea of having to connect 3 cables to my laptop every time! I would really love an ultrawide for the extra space and immersive gaming option. The Apple Studio Display doesn't have any HDMI inputs, so you would need an adapter to connect the PS5 to the USB-C inputs, and we don't have an adapter to test it. The 4k does not. Every component of the video ecosystem has given me friction in getting to 8k. The USB data comes from the Mac, not the GPU. It's also basically unsupported as far as software is concerned. Yes - sometimes things get connected to multiple devices but again - it's a niche. DSC is included starting with DisplayPort 1.4, and a good portion of monitors even today still ship with DP 1.2. They are not interchangeable, so its important to consider your workspace needs at the time of purchase." (Tons of great options if you don't want built-in peripherals / single cable of course). Plus, you can use the additional 4k display as an extended macOS display when not gaming. This gives me a nice combination of decent picel density in the center and lots of peripheral vision in which to put secondary windows, plus I can sit across the room and watch a movie on it. Android has been shipping arbitrary DPI support for longer than iOS or MacOS has supported the limited 2x HiDPI, and it doesn't have the issues you're talking about. Which on a density-aware toolkit (like Android's) it isn't. The second display requires a genuine Thunderbolt input, with a data stream faster than 26G bits/sec. I had to swap my $1k nVidia GPU for a different $1k nVidia GPU that wasn't any faster, to get HDMI 2.1 support. Refunds. You could be right if they end up actually stocking those in all stores. Hard to say. It'll be a miss for me this cycle but keen to see their future releases of their monitor line. The Apple Studio Display has an incredible SDR color gamut. Based on the reviews of the LG Ultrafine that extra $300 really are worth. The stand is solid, and the screen stays in place when you tilt it. What MacOS doesn't support is MST daisy chaining for some reason, only MST to a single display to overcome bandwidth limitations. They're standard in mid-range TVs. I like the Apple displays but I'm into seriously wide aspect ratio stuff lately. After moving to an ultrawide format, I can't see myself moving back to standard format monitors from a productivity standpoint. Less, User profile for user: Thanks for the info. Although I agree that 100+ Hz matters and the difference is huge, pixels density is very important also, and for some (myself included), it matters more. Retina prioritizes making it easy for developers to adopt: Double the size of artwork, points are 2 pixels, Done. It looks nice in any office environment. Similarly, can you daisy-chain without Thunderbolt? I suspect the profit margins are iffy as well compared to, say, iPhones obviously, where the margin is circa 40% and the size of the box is tiny. 18 speakers? Sadly no HDMI or DisplayPort, so can't use it for Xbox. 24 @ 4K would be perfect but is hard to come by. It also supports HDR, which the Apple doesn't, and it displays deeper blacks if you want to use it in a dark room. Movies are in 24Hz and people panic if you make them 60Hz because it's too smooth for them, but somehow 60Hz isn't enough to browse the web? Step 4: After the DisplayPort ports successfully connect one cable end to the host output port, leave the other end to the second one. This keeps the entire system whole and trouble free. That's crap; I couldn't believe Microsoft is shipping this. I've worked off Apple Cinema displays since the '90s and Apple Studio displays before that. (Note that unlike what a sibling comment states, DSC is lossy. User profile for user: Elizabeth Clemons . Currently using a 4K 39" TV as a monitor (had to contort the settings to get the text readable, etc.) The base of the height-adjustable stand is bigger, with a depth of 8.1" (20.7 cm). It's kind of ridiculous how slow the progress in screen resolutions has been. For all the work Apple is doing to improve their environmental impact (which I applaud) I'm completely flabbergasted as to why this is a single device monitor. The difference between "monitor" and "TV" is massive w.r.t. The difference in Destiny 2 between 60FPS and 100FPS is quite literally shocking to the point I can't go back. But maybe I am more than I realize? In response to Grant Bennet-Alder, Mar 10, 2022 5:53 AM in response to domitrescu The monitors don't move at all, so build quality issues are imperceptible here. Never experienced any issues, build quality is quite high in my opinion and the stand is surprisingly solid, much better then my Dell UltraSharps and LG UltraWide. The Studio display has a Thunderbolt port in, but only USB-C out, and these . Keep in mind that these photos are with the standard glass that has a glossy finish. The Mac Mini supports 2 external displays since it obviously has no built-in display, but the M1 Air and 13" MBP . Apples decision to support only integer scaling was what allowed them to adopt Retina displays very quickly. It's also a better choice to use with macOS devices because you get much better out-of-the-box accuracy, and you can use all of the display's features. Apple got around it by essentially making it two separate displays bound together in software using a single Thunderbolt cable, but that is only really feasible when you control the entire ecosystem. The 13-inch MacBook Pro, Mac mini, MacBook Air, and iMac support one LG UltraFine 5K Display. The new 2021 MacBook Pros were such a great design and it's clear how every small thing points to them being the greatest since 2015 Pros. I think your experience has been a constant of most Apple products for the last 22 years or so. Even though it has a built-in processor, you can't use it as a stand-alone monitor like the Samsung Smart Monitor M8 S32BM80, which has a built-in smart system. 5K is an intermediate step most manufacturers didn't bother with and we're getting 8K now at which point we've pretty much maxed out human vision for almost all applications. But that doesn't mean it makes sense for Apple to do commodity displays. I was checking on some comically wide Samsung monitors however I wasn't impressed with the build quality. You'd still use a 5k display in a non-native 4k resolution (surely the xbox doesn't support higher resolutions? Sometimes I crave for a higher refresh rate though, I have another ultrawide monitor with 144 Hz refresh rate and it really makes a difference, I find. It has great coverage of the Adobe RGB color space, which is important if you're a photo or video editor that uses this space. For these types of displays - you shouldn't really ever be using the stand that it comes with anyway. It's janky, but it works, and I don't really notice the speed difference dropping down to TB2 speeds since the only TB3 peripheral I hang off the CalDigit is an audio interface. Too many computer design decisions have been made in favor of features you are not using most of the time. The Follow Spot 100 LED from Eliminator Lighting is a powerful 70W LED follow spot that offers multiple colors (White, Red, Yellow, Blue, Green, Purple, Orange and Pink) and clear optics. See the image below for . Except if you compare it to the LG 5K, it's worth the extra cost in build quality alone. The microphone sounds fine, but the camera quality is washed out and dull. I'm finally sitting in front of an 8k 65" screen. Nothing. The Apple Studio Display has a basic refresh rate that you can achieve over a USB-C connection that supports DisplayPort Alt Mode. If anything, availability of HiDPI PC monitors has gone, That's only true at 8 bits per channel though, which is not what this monitor is. The LG also has better connectivity, with Thunderbolt 4 support as well as HDMI and DisplayPort inputs. if you are considering connecting three high-end displays, a computer optimized for light weight, portability, and battery-capable is not a smart choice. To learn more, refer to the User Manual of your monitor. multiple monitors on Windows with varying dpi scales is not great though, and probably can't be until some backwards compatibility promises are broken or expired. Otherwise yes, you're right. And Apple still hasn't shipped a laptop with a higher refresh rate than 120hz when competitors have been shipping 144 or even 240hz for years (A 100% bigger value than 120hz!). I can see benefits even while scrolling a webpage or moving windows around. I'd love to have one with all that stuff, but not all of them need the bells and whistles; and there's value in having all your displays be identical, especially in work that needs color calibration (not to mention, it looks nice). The glass sits flush to the monitor as it's attached properly to the bezels. There is no evidence for that. don't or can't be bothered so the end result in practice is that it doesn't work. Meaningless comparison. Those models don't support TB3 or USB4 on their USB-C port, so they have to use alt-mode with Apple may provide or recommend responses as a possible solution based on the information Use a DisplayPort cable to connect your computer to DisplayPort In on Monitor 1. Remember that its more than just raw resolution. Thanks to the 5k resolution and high pixel density, the text clarity is outstanding. this seems like so beyond unnecessary that it's absurd. Besides the ergonomics and reflection handling, the results are valid for the other variants. Nvidia and AMD have not been shipping DSC with HDMI simply because HDMI included DSC starting with HDMI 2.1, which only the current generation of graphic cards and very few monitors support. Toilet paper monitors. Thunderbolt and thunderbolt 2 did not have the bandwidth to handle it reliably. In fact, macOS currently ships non-integer scaling by default in certain MBP models. Looks like no one's replied in a while. It's limited to 60hz, which bothers some folks, but I haven't noticed. The ASUS is a 1440p monitor with much better ergonomics, and it has a better selection of inputs like an HDMI and DisplayPort input, so it's more versatile if you want to connect a PC or gaming console. For textual work, 4k is crisp enough, for gaming you can't run 8k with 120Hz as it's way too demanding and there are no content that dense, for movies or TV there are barely any content for 8k and maybe it's just for photo editors. it actually looks great on the LG 5k giving you 2880 pixels across and there's no significant performance hit w a M1 macbook air. 5k at 2x scaling gives you the real-estate of a 2560 x 1440 display, just with a doubled pixel density and thus much sharper. Like with the PS5, you would need an adapter to connect the Xbox Series X to the monitor, and we don't have that for testing. Find one you're happy with, and check the reviews! On a 22" screen, the difference between 4k and 1440p equates to 200dpi and 133dpi respectively - if you can't see the difference between 200dpi and 133dpi, I'm sorry, but you have either poor eyesight or glasses aren't doing their job. I care deeply how things look. They can charge whatever they want for it, its not relevant because, clearly, if they were concerned about being price competitive with other displays they would not be charging $1600 for this one. First, you need two or more monitors that support at least DisplayPort 1.2. 28 Comments Comments (28) You can't just look at one aspect. I would pay that for a 34" not a 27. ), which might be ok for video and most games, but it's not a good solution. There are hardly any inaccuracies to the colors and white balance in the sRGB mode, and the color temperature is nearly spot-on with the 6500K target. Laptops in the early 2010's were stuck on 1336x768 until Apple kicked up a fuss about having "retina", same with phones which had comically low resolutions until Apple made a fuss about it with the iPhone 4. And I used the term strictly precisely. It has exceptional out-of-the-box accuracy in the sRGB picture mode, so you won't need to calibrate it, and it displays a wide range of colors. To start the conversation again, simply ask a new question. My only recent comparisons are my new 16" M1 MBP and my 1440p Dell U2719 monitor (provided by work). The Apple Studio Display has great gray uniformity. To daisy chain your monitors, you need a few specific things. How do we know if DSC is available? I regret getting used to a 4K configuration scaled to 150% which is effectively 2560x1440 display with higher PPI. Oh yeah no I could see the flickering at 60. Large, high-performance displays are reaching the limits of switching speeds of digital logic. That's a "you are holding it wrong" kinda argument. I would also be first in line for a PC monitor that uses the M1 iMac display, but I suppose nobody sees a market for higher end 24" monitors anymore. Faster refresh doesn't necessarily mean a better display. Driven by data, run by a passionate team of engineers, testers, technical writers, developers, and more. I get that on HN - everyone will chime in and say it's frequent but I've seen thousands of monitors in my day and all of them were connected to just one device and never more than one device. That's a huge flaw imo, cause falling back to alt-mode takes over the cable and blocks USB3/PCIe tunneling from working. The Apple Studio display has only one Thunderbolt port for DisplayPort input. I have an M1 Macbook Pro on the same desk. Set up and use Apple Studio Display. Being able to see my screen's pixels annoys me a lot more than moving my mouse at 60 Hz. The main benefit of getting the display calibrated is if you want to use the 'Apple Display (P3-600 nits)' mode so you can customize the settings and have a brighter screen. olivierLA75, Apr 18, 2022 9:04 AM in response to domitrescu, Apr 18, 2022 3:07 PM in response to olivierLA75, call I know this isn't what you mean.. but I'm imagining someone blindfolded in a research lab testing this out Blindfolded person: "I can't see a difference!". Would be nice to have >5K resolutions to have more pixel density. They're standard in high end tablets. I don't know about you but 1440p at 27" is the perfect DPI for me. Is it possible to daisy chain 2 studio displays powered by a 2021 14' MacBook pro with M1 max? I don't need audiophile stuff, but it's remarkable how bad the built-in AV was on the LG UltraFine. macOS draws only at 1x or 2x. We tested the 27 inch Apple Studio Display (model number A2525), which is the only size available. 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